Just adding my two cents to this thread. I don’t know, just a neat little way to write that I guess!. 7K members. 337K subscribers in the Grimdank community. Erebus was the first chaplain of the Word Bearers legion. Get app Get the Reddit app Get the Reddit appFuck Erebus. He murdered Argel Tal because Tal was a grounded force for Kharn, and while not state they were gay as fuck. A subreddit dedicated to the NSFW and Porn content of Warhammer40k and…It also ironically gives another shade of meaning to Monarchia; Big E was trying to reprogram Lorgar with brute force. What is worse is the nameless fucker killed and took the identity of the original kid who was named Erebus so now when everyone curses his name, they are actually cursing the name of the kid that he murdered so long ago. MAKE IT HAPPEN Reply RealEmperorofMankind Imperium’s best dad •. I would LOVE to have a Chaos God of "fuck Erebus, I want him dead" one day, with the amount of in-world and real world hatred he has gathered. 4K subscribers in the fuckerebus community. She shows up in the Siege of Terra books with an Alpha Legion marine and leads a mission to infiltrate the palace with John and Oll' Persson to confront the Emperor for an as-yet unknown reason. A subreddit dedicated to the hatred and vilification of Erebus, first chaplain…Fuck Erebus. Your central hub for the dankest memes from the 41st millennium and the Mortal…Is typhon not the DG version of erebus, fuck erebus. Honestly, fuck Erebus. Well no, he's Erebus. Magnus just made a mistake. During Horus Rising there is a great scene in the training cages with Erebus, the Mournival and Lucius. Dear Erebus creator I have one question. Premium Powerups Explore Gaming. Erebus is hated because he's entirely responsible for the horus heresy and the death or corruption of the nicest and most interesting characters. Explanation Erebus was the first Space Marine to fall to Chaos and is directly responsible for the Horus Heresy and the current state of the Imperium, leading to him. You got a human civilization that was more sophisticated and technological advanced than the imperium itself, and superior in many ways, exterminated because of Erebus bullshit. 372 votes, 18 comments. So why do we hate Erebus, when he was key to the plot of the Horus Heresy? For the same reasons Christians consider the Gospel of Judas heretical apocryphal and hate Judas despite his betrayal of Jesus saving all believers from original sin. No, Fuck You! In this post, I will demonstrate not only should you not be cursing Erebus, but you should be praising his greatness. Kharn is pretty blue collar - he's got a work ethic - he'd like that Skull but there's work to do here and those heads aren't lopping themselves off. Everyone should read Empress Theresa. I read a few more HH books and soon grew to know and hate him. Erebus was one of the first five of the pantheon of Greek gods, Zeus, Hera, Aphrodite, Erebus and Hades. Starscream is a surviving Man of Iron escaped to the past through the warp. 1. When I came out I told you it was just about Erebus Then everybody had to open their mouth with a motherfuckin opinion Well, this is how we gonna do this: FUCK Chaos, FUCK Erebus, FUCK the Word Bearers as an army, a legion, and as a motherfuckin' crew! And if you wanna be down with the Word Bearers, then FUCK YOU TOOI think this definitively proves that no one fucked Erebus. "Fuck Erebus" — that is your. Erebus was the first chaplain of the Word Bearers legion. 229K subscribers in the 40kLore community. Your central hub for the dankest memes from the 41st millennium and the Mortal…Posted by u/lazy_inquisitor - 54 votes and 3 commentsErebus, the ass clown so disliked his own primarch gives him a suicide mission so that he stops bothering him. Kor on the other hand regularly gets embarrassed, is smoked by Guilliman, has his body the subject of a tug of war between a team. ‘You let the mask slip, Erebus,’ he told him. The entire Horus Heresy happened because of him. But Erebus was just alpharius all along and what if life isn’t about the alpharius you become but. He killed an aspiring Colchisian priest and stole his identity to secure a life of luxury among the priesthood. The deactivated crozius in his hand was flecked with blood – first blood – and ever the dignified victor, Erebus offered a hand to help Skane up from the deck. Still alive sadly. Erebus was a bad kid from the get-go. For that to happen, light would have to willingly create an image of him. GameStop Moderna Pfizer Johnson & Johnson AstraZeneca Walgreens Best Buy Novavax SpaceX Tesla. Also unlike Fabulus Bill or Kharne he has absolutely no positive or interesting personality features. Basically this. Chaos players that hate Erebus usually do so because he's a slimy snake. I want Erebus to claim every single inch of my body as his own and I'd let him wreck my insides. Even the daemon, Raum, was right. A subreddit dedicated to the hatred and vilification of Erebus, first chaplain of the Word Bearers…It’s in the second book of the Horus Heresy series, False Gods. ‘Sire, if you have truly abandoned your beliefs, then take this blade and end my life now. yeah Erebus is a despicable villain, but Kor Phaeron is the poster-boy for bitch ass motherfuckers. He is the only one in the entire setting who has purpose, never doubted, and faced every single challenge his way. Erebus is like Jeoffry Baratheon, you just love to hate him. Erebus endured it. The gods need agents and he is the most competent and dedicated. I want him to leave me crying and screaming. While I originally intended it as a joke, the more I thought about it, the more I became legitimately curious to see if anyone can craft a well-written defense of everyone's favorite 40k dirtbag — there were some pretty good responses in the Lorgar thread. If Lorgar sat in a corner for a little bit and thought it through, he could’ve gotten over himself and become what the Emperor needed him to be. 4K votes, 148 comments. 1. and yet in retrospect it was essentially shown that the nature. Erebus mentions the sword and Loken recalls, in his head, that nobody identifies what weapon was stolen. He does what he does out of pure conviction for his cause (bad as that cause itself may be), and so far we have never seen him unwilling to pay any price for anything as long as whatever he thinks the Dark Gods want done is done. . Phaeron in particular is a pulsating pain in the ass, how is the sad fucker still alive? PoS survived getting a heart ripped out, had his flagship blown apart under him and is still around to piss in my porridge. Really, fuck Erebus. The deactivated crozius in his hand was coated with blood, first blood, and ever the dignified victor, Erebus offered a hand to help Skane up from the deck. 363K subscribers in the Grimdank community. 693 votes, 17 comments. December 28, 2012. Closed • 7K total votes. However - her life was not without hardships. Fuck Erebus. It's not the true belief, its the smirk that smug little prick has when he does it. Your central hub for the dankest memes from the 41st millennium and the Mortal…Yes. (On a side note, i'm pleased to see that when I type the word fuck, my keyboard offers Erebus as the next word) Reply. Posted by u/Luke5353 - 1,491 votes and 26 comments119 votes, 11 comments. got to hate somebody, may as well be him. 9. Fuck Kor Phaeron, Fuck Erebus, fuck the Word Bearers. Rebel Alliance was basically ISIS and ended up paving the way for the Yuzan Vong invasion. "The Ruinstorm is born," Erebus stated. . He could claim (wih a great length of exaggeration) to have single-handedly converted everyone to Chaos, and royally fucked the Imperium forever. If not: Corvus Corax hunts down Lorgar and Erebus is one of the people in his way. ‘You showed yourself to me. yeah Erebus is a despicable villain, but Kor Phaeron is the poster-boy for bitch ass motherfuckers. The sergeant took the proferred hand, gripping it with his new augmetic limb. Kharn beating his ass is the greatest thing that's ever happened to his character and I truly hope it happens again with a better outcome. 18 votes, 42 comments. The fact that it is so easy to hate him makes him great in the meta. Simply put. 5. ago. But we still hate him nonetheless. It’s set in the 41st millennium, hence the name. In 40k, almost everything Chaos-related in the galaxy can be traced back to Erebus, and was a desirable outcome for Erebus' schemes. ‘You let the mask slip, Erebus,’ he told him. Fuck (and I can't stress this enough) that fucking fuck Erebus. Erebus stepped aside. The pig was also diseased. The original Erebus was a religious and studious child who was destined for the priesthood. A subreddit dedicated to the hatred and vilification of Erebus, first chaplain…414 votes, 29 comments. Erebus is homophobic? TheFlayingHamster •. In the name of the Emperor, fuck Erebus. And such a pretty art, too! ReplyWhile erebus was a waste of sperm let alone gene-seed. Erebus’s corpse is gunna have three holes in it. During the Crusade the age of induction was far higher than it is in 40K as the Imperium lost much of the technology utilized for geneseed implementation. For reals, fuck Erebus. And along the way his pretence became truth. Everyone should read Empress Theresa. If you wanna brag, do you. 9K subscribers in the fuckerebus community. hold on to your butts because Erebus is back! Is this the first time since Betrayer when he's actually taking…Fuck Erebus. Then unceremoniously dropped him into the nearest river but not before flaking the sack with a hurley for a good half hour first. Erebus. He was the son of Khaos, and the God of Darkness, the night and shadows. Controversial Opinion Time. Fuck him with Nurgle's bloated, diseased dick. Fun facts about Erebus: - that's not his real name. . Before everything goes to shit and they become; The Arch-Traitor, The Despoiler, “Torgaddon, who had been the best of men”, “The wrong Horus” and The Last Loyal Lunar Wolf!FUCK EREBUS. Yeah it’s hinted at in Lorgar’s Primarch novel. 365K subscribers in the Grimdank community. Fuck Erebus — change my mind. I am not on the Fuck Erebus train. 8. Erebus is the reason everything went utterly to shit. Ah, getting castrated so as to not make more humans. 1. I'm familiar with the games, and stuff from this sub, and have finally gotten into reading stuff. Leandros (Wh40K Space Marine) 208. 362K subscribers in the Grimdank community. 22. Okay, the question "who is erebus" is answered, now to the "fuck erebus" part. 0 coins. Erebus, First Chaplain of the Word Bearers, was the first ever Chaos Space Marine. EreBus go wroom wroom. And, truly, fuck him, but: Erebus is atleast, if nothing else, a true believer. After his fall, Erebus set up the slaughter of the Interex civilization to prevent them from warning the Imperium about Chaos and arranged for the corruption of Lorgar and Horus Lupercal, setting up the Horus Heresy that would turn the galaxy and Imperium into. 2K votes, 82 comments. The pig was also diseased. Fuck that fucking fuck. 1 / 12. Erebus levelled the accusation with a pointed finger, pushing Alpharius’s patience beyond its limit. The deactivated crozius in his hand was flecked with blood – first blood – and ever the dignified victor, Erebus offered a hand to help Skane up from the deck. Fast forward a couple of millennia (i believe, my cogitators lost track of time), Erebus then killed off a bestie of Kharn the Berserker, Argel Tal, claiming that he aint healthy for Kharn. A subreddit dedicated to the hatred and vilification of Erebus, first chaplain of the Word Bearers…40k refers to Warhammer 40,000 (or 40k), which is a tabletop war game taking place within the Warhammer universe. Thunderous_Ball_Slap • 2 yr. 9. Eidolon (Lord Commander of the Emperor's Children) 713. 265 votes, 27 comments. Legitimately, memes aside, fuck Erebus. The imperial truth was manifest destiny all the way, natives be damned. Reply128 votes, 25 comments. 000 futures never once saw the possibility of him dying there (and I will not lie, surprise is kind of a big understatement). honestly, i wouldn't even shit in his mouth if he was starving. 1. This is the last time. Second of all he was the man who orchestrated Horus being wounded in battle. 49 votes, 17 comments. 4K subscribers in the fuckerebus community. "fuck you erebus you goddamn imperium ruining, emperor crippling, horus corrupting, chaos god cock swallowing, lorgar pegging, glorious hawk boi murdering, vulkan depressing, fucking shitfuck cunt, dick swallowing, assfaced identity stealing, dildo shitting, probably unhinges his jaw to swallow more chaos cock, choir boy touching (he's of age. Marks of accomplishment and power. The end!. Erebus. A subreddit dedicated to the hatred and vilification of Erebus, first chaplain of the Word Bearers…. Erebus tried to defend himself but he was just a candle in the inferno as that magnus apperd. Also fuck Erebus because he was a lonely autist who tried to and wanted nothing more than to be his own master and in the end he's still a slave, but no matter how much you hate him, he's the perfect metaphor of Chaos. Even if I was getting fucked by him I'm pretty sure astartes can't get hard, so I reckon I'd be ok. Kharn was honourable, got on with angron, and had plenty of bros like tal and siggy. Reply reply Erikavpommern • Man, fuck Erebus. This is the second full novel in 40K that I have read. 2K votes, 55 comments. Your central hub for the dankest memes from the 41st millennium and the Mortal…Erebus is the First Chaplain of the Word Bearers and an asshole. Tried to fool Horus into joining Chaos. Erebus’s corpse is gunna have three holes in it. Maybe now people will get the erebus suggestions are afronts to humanity that should be burnt instead of read or watched (yes i am specifically mentioning the dude that read TBASOTMG) 5. Erebus did nothing wrong! All he wanted was to make his gene daddy happy, sure he told a little fib to Horus and had an oopsie with that demon guy but he isn't so bad is he? He is an excellent combatant, as shown in his cage fights with Lucius (IIRC making four strikes in a second). He was the first to fall to Chaos and he corrupted both Lorgar (primarch of the Word Bearers) and. Fuck Kor Phaeron, Fuck Erebus, fuck the Word Bearers. As a Lorgar fan, fuck Erebus. Why the FUCK are rounds so long Reply more reply. Reply. Literally everything that's happening now is because of him. 554. Explanation Erebus was the first Space Marine to fall to Chaos and is directly responsible for the Horus Heresy and the current state of the Imperium, leading to him being a Hate Sink . Smite him for good measureIs Erebus a Daemon prince yet? If so: he gets his shit pushed in bad by Kharn, spends most of the novel trying to return, and then accidentally manifests in the right time and place to be erased by Guilliman using the Emperor’s Sword. This subreddit is dedicated to the fandom's unending loathing for him. The way he messed up Calth is hilarious lol. With Erebus being pretty much solely responsible for setting up for the Horus Heresy, it's surprising he's not a huge "face of chaos" character in 40k's current timeline. Secondly, this really is one of the richest moments of the series. GameStop Moderna Pfizer Johnson & Johnson AstraZeneca Walgreens Best Buy Novavax SpaceX Tesla. 5K subscribers in the fuckerebus community. I am about to read Betrayer for the first time. Sounds like mission accomplished to me. You cannot proclaim “Fuck Erebus” without adding Kor Phaeron, Typhus, Kharn, Abaddon, Ahriman, and all of the traitor primarchs who made their own choices – AFTER swearing loyalty to Big E. I've listened to many lore videos, and have talked about the lore with many people, so I already know how it all ends. i really couldn't stand to even hear that punk speak. I see a LOT of Erebus-bashing…Mostly because "Fuck Erebus" rolls off the tongue much better than "Fuck Kor Pharon". Its just like hail hydra in every captain america movie. NFL. After the brotherhood got its ass kicked kor phaeron denied all connections to it, so he got left alone. Fuck that guy! Everything. The two-headed eagle stared into the rain, its wings wide and proud. Middle left- Erebus- fuck erebus hes one of reasons HH started Middle right- Mannfred von Carstein- poors man Vlad von Carstein, stabbed Gelt in back during end Times thus all went shit Right bottom - Lady of the lake - made bretonninas think shes some sort of goddess. FUCK EREBUS! FUCKIN EREBUS CORRUPTED THE WARMASTER! Horus was pure! He was a good boy until Erebus corrupted him on Davin. For Man to truly flourish he must be willing to abandon the ever shrinking island of such petty 'truth' and surrender himself to the reality of that which is beyond. I like Erebus. 9. ‘I am a primarch, genetor of the Alpha Legion, and you will show me due respect!’ snapped Alpharius, standing up. 8. 414 votes, 56 comments. 4K subscribers in the fuckerebus community. Behind him, the fortress tower was marked by the Imperial aquila, streaked with blood from the hellish storm. One murdered one of the best characters and is just a massive…That wound was so lethal that Horus was on the verge of death. Erebus is also smart enough to stay far far away. CryptoHe is on par with the best. Fuck Erebus. 283K subscribers in the Grimdank community. Erebus is one of those characters that, if you look at his accomplishments in the macro, is a solid overachiever. Fuck and Facial 21. ago. So, I'm making a call out post on my Twitter. 340K subscribers in the Grimdank community. 959 votes, 60 comments. He would constantly manipulate people, torture animals, et cetera. I hope Guilliman finishes the job next time he faces him. 359K subscribers in the Grimdank community. 3K subscribers in the fuckerebus community. Erebus is the reason why we cant have nice things the imperium doesnt have a webway (magnus too but he did nothing wrong, just complicit) the Horus heresy the beast debacle happens later the Tyranids are coming because of the detonation of the oroburos at sotha Seriously. But own up to it when folks call you on it. Do not count days, do not count upvotes. You spelled r/fuckerebus wrong, just fyi. 301 votes, 11 comments. TheKingsPride • 2 yr. One better, join Nyds. 286 votes, 31 comments. Thunderous_Ball_Slap • 2 yr. ago. Fuck Erebus, Argel Tal was cool, Kharn did nothing wrong, and Lorgar should’ve let Angron die. The man that raised Lorgar who was very much a chaos fan boy. I'm sure most, if not all, of you know…This is amazing. The sergeant took the proferred hand, gripping it with his new augmetic limb. But until now, I don't think I've ever truly understand the sentiment behind 'Fuck Erebus'. Perpetuals can be permanently killed. 5. So, for the first time ever I’m gonna say, thank you Erebus. This would cause a chain reaction that would lead to the Emperor of Mankind's favourite son, Horus Lupercal, instigating the most devastating civil war in humanity. Well, that did change once Erebus and Kor Pharon saw Argel Tal being possessed. I very much want to punch him in the face. Base +9, elephino -6 , MehMeher -5 ,. . 9. Ah, getting castrated so as to not make more humans. There are so many other D-bags in 40k, Eidolon for example, yet we all focus on Erebus because he seems slimy and dishonest and backstabs. . Which feels like an annoying cop-out to avoid making the Imperium look too bad. 9. honestly, i wouldn't even shit in his mouth if he was starving. If you say "Fuck Erebus", say it one more time — there is nothing more amusing for us than a cacophony of "Fuck Erebus" screams. Erebus is hated because he's entirely responsible for the horus heresy and the death or corruption of the nicest and most interesting characters. 2. Hateful, cruel, opressive gods, but gods nonetheless. I'm about a quarter of the way. Man 12 year old me got motherfucking chills when he read that, I knew fuck all about the lore back then but I knew some crazy shit was about to go down Reply. ago. 348K subscribers in the Grimdank community. He's just an absolutely intolerable dickhead. Your central hub for the dankest memes from the 41st millennium and the Mortal… Yes. . A subreddit dedicated to the hatred and vilification of Erebus, first chaplain of the Word Bearers…Fuck Erebus. 70. 8. Yesss Horus Rising was a good book but a better build up for False God's which is one of my favorite 40k books. Erebus drew his gladius in a smooth motion, reversing the grip and offering the sword to Lorgar. And so I got to work, sculpted some hair on this fellow, and converted the Eye of Terra from a primaris marine's neck joint thingy. Now he just kinda exists, hating typhus, hating himself, generally being a miserable bastard. 9. Still, character must be written pretty well for most people to hate his guts. "Fuck Erebus" special rule Everyone hates the chatacter that wields the 'Face of (ere)bussy' and gets +1 attacks when in melee. Can you pronounce this word better. "But tell me of this grand success you spoke of. com: Erebus, you got a small dick. To get it all properly down, it should be… Lucius the Eternal Legendary Creature - Astartes Warrior Haste Bell of Soulscream — When Lucius the Eternal dies, exile it and choose target creature an opponent controls. 554. It combines elements of high fantasy with sci-fi and generally has a pretty deep lore. 273 votes, 19 comments. Kharn just mollywhopping Erebus around the ring like he was nothing despite Erebus ostensibly. A subreddit dedicated to the hatred and vilification of Erebus, first chaplain of the Word Bearers…Yea, fuck Erebus. Pain flared across his chest, hot and urgent, matching the throb of his smashed face. 4K subscribers in the fuckerebus community. After a group of 12 servitors were found spontaneous combusted it was agreed that Erebus was to repulsive to have. r/fuckerebus A chip A close button A chip A close button419 votes, 24 comments. He's pretty much one of the easiest antagonists to point a finger at. 0 coins. Erebus knows he’s evil, is committed to the cause, and absolutelty revels in it. While Erebus killed a Sun (with some assistance, ofc)The Warmaster’s hand shot out and snatched at the hilt of a dagger sheathed at the Dark Apostle’s belt. FUCK EREBUS. A place for Warhammer art. Of course some would say that Kor Phaeron wasn't a marine, but I'm not sure that is the case. Join group. A_TRAFFIC_CONE_. He killed an aspiring Colchisian priest and stole his identity to secure a life of luxury among the priesthood. Your central hub for the dankest memes from the 41st millennium and the Mortal…8. 1. Count only the number of times you said "Fuck Erebus". “Bold Kharn… are you cer…” Gorechild revved for the first time since its rebirth, eating air with the throating snarl of an apex predator. But Erebus? Erebus never doubted. I’m new to 40K. Erebus levelled the accusation with a pointed finger, pushing Alpharius’s patience beyond its limit. After digging. His parents would constantly chastise him and compare him to another boy named. MOTHERFUCKER ALWAYS RUINS HUMANITY. Fuck Erebus. You have reached Dark Apostle Erebus' voicemail. 365K subscribers in the Grimdank community. r/fuckerebus proves this. His dick is so small that every time he looks at it he has to ruin the imperium just so he can feel. Just Finished Horus Rising. Open menu Open navigation Go to Reddit Home. A subreddit dedicated to the hatred and vilification of Erebus, first chaplain…Don’t know enough about Talos, but Sevatar was…interesting. The deactivated crozius in his hand was flecked with blood – first blood – and ever the dignified victor, Erebus offered a hand to help Skane up from the deck. Your central hub for the dankest memes from the 41st millennium and the Mortal…Just finished the novel Fulgrim and in one scene Fulgrim walks in to talk with Horus and Erebus is sitting there. "Fuck Erebus" in this case would mean making love to her. . He was constantly getting in trouble. A subreddit dedicated to the hatred and vilification of Erebus, first chaplain… Erebus' hate stems from two currents - one deserved and one, not so much. Erebus had to deus ex machina his way out of the fight via sorcerous teleportation to keep his life, and still checks under his bed for Kharne every night. We are monster girls. He is surprised that in 10. Erebus is the Arch-Traitor. Spark-001 • 6 yr. Until no. He pissed on my Imperium. Khârn interrupted it. KujoOda1 • 7 mo. A subreddit dedicated to the hatred and vilification of Erebus, first chaplain of the Word Bearers…Business, Economics, and Finance. 8. You got a human civilization that was more sophisticated and technological advanced than the imperium itself, and superior in many ways, exterminated because of Erebus bullshit. The destruction of the Interex was a tragedy. A subreddit dedicated to the hatred and vilification of Erebus, first chaplain of the Word Bearers…In interplanetary space, however, where there’s around an atom for like every 10cm3 of space you’d freeze to 3 kelvin, around -270c! So yeah, fuck Erebus and fuck his. In fact, I find his one dimension fascinating. 339 votes, 14 comments. Erebus has a purpose, it's to fuck shit up and make you mad. A subreddit dedicated to the hatred and vilification of Erebus, first chaplain…I think Erebus is a cunt cause he doesn't give a flying fuck about Chaos. Reply . Kharn is pretty blue collar - he's got a work ethic - he'd like that Skull but there's work to do here and those heads aren't lopping themselves off. 249 votes, 14 comments. Erebus cannot, and should not, be hated for who he is, which is a force of nature. He knew what he was doing from. And, truly, fuck him, but: Erebus is atleast, if nothing else, a true believer. Friend of mine loaned me Betrayer, said I should read the fight between Kharn and Erebus. Never once, he mentions the gods playing a cruel joke on him. - his childhood hobbies included ripping the legs off of scorpions. Fuck Erebus though, Argel Tal deserved a better death than that. Erebus is a nasty little bastard. He paved the way for Eidolon and Bile and the rest of the Word Bearers. He would constantly manipulate people, torture animals, et cetera. Sure would be a shame if something happened to it Fuck ErebusThe Warmaster’s hand shot out and snatched at the hilt of a dagger sheathed at the Dark Apostle’s belt. Erebus is the reason why we cant have nice things the imperium doesnt have a webway (magnus too but he did nothing wrong, just complicit) the Horus heresy the beast debacle happens later the Tyranids are coming because of the detonation of the oroburos at sotha Seriously. Kor Boredom just tagged along. This ceremony was dedicated to the blood god, not the emperor, and the 9th Legion's obsession with blood grew stronger day by day. 9K subscribers in the fuckerebus community. FUCK, Erebus! Reply Cheaky_alt Cadian Tomboy Enjoyer • Additional comment actions. He's also a dick to anyone he's around. We are caught in the eternal conflict between hating Erebus for being a horrible person and being fans of the villain in a universe full of them. Kharn wins without. b) Because 'panic' is pretty much what they did, and when it came to making the decision, half of the Mournival were absent.